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  What is BELIEF ?

  by EdenOne in

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  stemming from the 'absentheism' thread, an old question came to my mind.

  what exactly is "belief"?.

  is it the same to ask: "do you believe in god?

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  Jonathan Drake

  Jonathan Drake:

  
  

  really?

  Eden

  What? What am I missing!? Tell me!
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  What is BELIEF ?

  by EdenOne in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  stemming from the 'absentheism' thread, an old question came to my mind.

  what exactly is "belief"?.

  is it the same to ask: "do you believe in god?

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  Jonathan Drake

  I'm still waiting for a link to where I can by Spanx holy book. I think you're making all this up.
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  What is BELIEF ?

  by EdenOne in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  stemming from the 'absentheism' thread, an old question came to my mind.

  what exactly is "belief"?.

  is it the same to ask: "do you believe in god?

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  Jonathan Drake

  The only "evidence" about Spanx The Almighty is in his Holy Book;
  

  Where is the book? Id like to read it. I wanna read the evidence.
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  What is BELIEF ?

  by EdenOne in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  stemming from the 'absentheism' thread, an old question came to my mind.

  what exactly is "belief"?.

  is it the same to ask: "do you believe in god?

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  Jonathan Drake

  Removed by poster: updated post from Eden made
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  What is BELIEF ?

  by EdenOne in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  stemming from the 'absentheism' thread, an old question came to my mind.

  what exactly is "belief"?.

  is it the same to ask: "do you believe in god?

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  Jonathan Drake

  You know. This may not be everyone's reason for responding to Eden, but for me it was about trying to reason with him/her. That clearly isn't possible.

  we could try just ignoring these posts. One day whatever God or gods they believe in will allow something heinous enough to happen that wakes them up.
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  What is BELIEF ?

  by EdenOne in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  stemming from the 'absentheism' thread, an old question came to my mind.

  what exactly is "belief"?.

  is it the same to ask: "do you believe in god?

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  Jonathan Drake

  Why not throw into the possibilities henotheism also? And still, why do I have to define?
  

  Because by their very nature only one or the other can be true. Both polytheism and monotheism can't be true at the same time.
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  What is BELIEF ?

  by EdenOne in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  stemming from the 'absentheism' thread, an old question came to my mind.

  what exactly is "belief"?.

  is it the same to ask: "do you believe in god?

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  Jonathan Drake

  Okay Eden, but your definition of God doesn't even have to be complex.

  Are you talking monotheism or polytheism?

  jusr answering this one question will allow a real discussion. I'm not sure if anyone asked you this yet.
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  What is BELIEF ?

  by EdenOne in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  stemming from the 'absentheism' thread, an old question came to my mind.

  what exactly is "belief"?.

  is it the same to ask: "do you believe in god?

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  Jonathan Drake

  How am I supposed to define a deity which I don't believe in?
  

  What in the actual feck lol. are you just trying to rationalize a way for God to be possible for some reason?

  to me, as of this last post, you officially make no sense at all.
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  Theory of god

  by azor in

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  i have noticed that theists have an aversion to the word theory.

  as it is mostly attached to evolution, and they have a deep misunderstanding of what the word means.. i'm probably botching the following statement but the general idea is as follows.

  it has been said that whoever sets the parameters of the battle or frames the argument wins.

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  Jonathan Drake

  My favorite explanation so far of theory is below. I use it when talking to believers now.

  taken from:

  
  Original Article

  To truly understand evolution, you must first understand science. Unfortunately, one of the most misused words today is also one of the most important to science: theory. Many incorrectly see theory as the opposite of fact. The National Academy of Sciences provides concise definitions of these critical words: A fact is a scientific explanation that has been tested and confirmed so many times that there is no longer a compelling reason to keep testing it; a theory is a comprehensive explanation of some aspect of nature that is supported by a vast body of evidence generating testable and falsifiable predictions.

  In science, something can be both theory and fact. We know the existence of pathogens is a fact; germ theory provides testable explanations concerning the nature of disease. We know the existence of cells is a fact and that cell theory provides testable explanations of how cells function. Similarly, we know evolution is a fact and that evolutionary theories explain biological patterns and mechanisms. The late Stephen Jay Gould said it best: “Evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world’s data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts.”
  
  
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  What is BELIEF ?

  by EdenOne in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  stemming from the 'absentheism' thread, an old question came to my mind.

  what exactly is "belief"?.

  is it the same to ask: "do you believe in god?

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  Jonathan Drake

  Followed by yet another Ad Hominem:

  Cofty: stop trying to sound like Deepak Chopra.

  Your example here is not an ad hominem. Ad hominem would only be if somebody said something that attacked your character and then used that attack as reason to not listen to you.

  Example here:

  https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem
  

  Ironically what you've done in trying to assert a fallacy is commit one yourself:

  https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/the-fallacy-fallacy
  

  You've done it several times I believe.

  If you read some of your posts you also appear to be making broad statements regarding what is or is not (such as regarding radicalism) without backing it up. I think I get where you are coming from with radicalism, but the problem is it's an observably wrong opinion. While you could argue that there are many in such religions that radicalize as Islam who defend it and make distinctions between radical and moderate; you can just look at the Quran. What is the average person going to think when they read it? I mean the normal everyday middle eastern man or woman who isn't a scholar or a professor or teacher. theyll see a book telling them they should kill oppressive unbelievers > they'll see their homes and land that have been obliterated for many years by the western world for various reasons > the west is the oppressor > here's a group of Islam brothers and sisters who agree > jihad.

  you can't just form uneducated opinions on things as facts. Books aren't enough. 60% of the Islamic community in the world is illiterate. So what do you think is making them radicalize? It's not just the book they can't read, and it isn't just the leader they don't necessarily trust. It's their FAITH (THEIR BELIEF) and what they see around them. Because it's all they have to make them radicalize.